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Wednesday, July 9, 2025
How Frank Sinatra managed to record in 30th street church studio
Sound engineer Frank Laico narates his discussion with producer Don Costa:
There should be OR not AND on the All Rights Reserved notice of sound carriers
For example, below the second sentence is possible correct as the logic operator OR covers all cases. Is the 3rd version the correct?
For example in a room are musicians and somebody asks: "Please come forward those who play flute and piano" 2 musicians only come. If the proposal is: "Please come forward those who play piano or flute", 7 musicians come. Those 2 who play both, those who play the piano only, those who play the flute only.
I was very lucky to learn this by my teacher of Mathematics Babis Pantazatos. He would thoroughly explain the Aristotelian Symbolic Logic, logic, operators, truthy tables, set theory. On few books such as the book of BBC producer Alec Nisbet on microphones the OR operator is used.
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Updates on the Pleiades 3 DC90 battery powered electron tube RIAA MM or MC vinyl disc reading cartridge preamplifier
At your risk. Take all safety precautions. There may be smoke or fire in case of short circuit until a suitable fuse is used in series with a battery.
Va is 1.3V. A 100mA safety fuse is now used.
Vb is 48V.
1st stage operates with grid at space potential, ie with just a coupling capacitor connected to control grid. 2nd and 3rd stages would not turn on in this way due to the initial transient voltage at turn on from the previous stages. S0 a 10Mohm resistor was connected between grid and ground.
It works and the preamplifier sounds very nice. It is directly feeding the Sennheiser HD580 headphones through the output transformer at a low volume.
It makes sense to use an input transformer even for MM cartridges and and additional input transformer for MC cartridges. So thing to having one transformer inside a ribbon microphone, and then the input transformer of the preamplifier.
Promising results.
There is hiss from the second stage, due possibly from bad electron tube contacts or RF pickup.
Could it be the sound leakage to the other instrument mics that can make a piano sound recording so good?
If more than one microphone is used even in mono, this can help the listener's brain recognize which is the direct signal and which is the reverberant signal.
If just one microphone is used, the mic has no brain, it picks up the sum of 2 signals. Direct and reverberant. So the information of what is the direct signal is lost forever.
But there are 2 microphones at different distance from the source, hidden in the 2 sums are 2 almost exactly the same direct signals with the only difference a time delay. The extra time direct sound takes to travel to the more distant microphone.
Is it possible that the brain uses this information to recreate the original direct signal from the musical instrument? So thereby making the distinction between sound of instrument and sound or the room?
Could it be that solo piano recordings with just 2 microphones will have an inferior piano sound to a piano concerto where mics are used for the orchestra section. And these microphones pick up the piano too with a meaningful delay?
Apart from the soft playing is this one reason why Largo from concerto in F minor - Bach, pianist: Glen Gould sound so nice and atmospheric but with definition?
Information for this thought was provided by Al Schmitt on Vocal and Instrumental Recording Techniques book explaining the importance of leakage of good acoustics to very good quality microphones to the end sonic soundscape.
For example the guitar microphones picks up also the singer, or the singer's microphone picks up also the guitar>
On he above example the orchestra microphones pick up also the piano which is also captured with the closser to it piano microphones.
Tuesday, July 1, 2025
Recording the upright piano with 2 microphones one behind the other
At your risk
This happened almost by chance trying in almost in vain to record a nice sound.
So by instinct this unorthodox way came by.
Stand at the right of the piano by its side.
First mic a Unidyne B Mexico pointing at a angle to the cetre of the piano at 24in distance. Then on the same stand another Shure Unidyne B USA behind the other mic by 24in again. Both at the same line pointing towards the center of the piano. The 1st mic feeding the right channel, the 2nd mic feeding the left channel of Sony TC-D5M.
Interesting and promising result. Maybe the best recording i have done so far of a piano in a small living room.
So far my best piano recording may be one at Napier College church in Edinburg. A large church helps so much doing away the early reflections.
A similar one mic behind the other setup in a bedroom with mics pointing at right angle sounded amazing with a Pleiades oscillator and glockenspiel recording, see previous post. Instruments were on top of of bed with Tempur matresse.